The hardest part then was actually finding the materials," he told the documentary. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Forensic scientist Dr Colin Dark said that the stain had been found on the lower flap of Muriel's coat. Hi Sherlock. I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts found a semen stain found on Muriel's coat. This forensic approach is becoming more common. Regards. Photo added by Graceti. All Rights Reserved. An amazing campaign by Neil Milkins, but unfortunately, no breakthrough for Muriel. We know 100% that it is the killer's stain. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. Video, 00:01:00View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. 74 years ago, Muriel Drinkwater was murdered. I am making a F.O.I. Oftentimes the public wonders why resources should be allocated to cold cases such as Muriels, cases in which most of victims immediate family, and even the perpetrator, are likely dead. He also fixates on the fact that he is married to a younger woman, that she is five years younger than him, that she started going out with him when she was still in school. I think it will be at least 3 months before anything definite will be announced. [4] In 2019, the DNA was used to rule out notorious Welsh murderer Harold Jones as a suspect. Hi. Although he was first registered at Widdows Fulham address at Hestercombe Avenue in 1947 as Harold Jones, the following years and up until 1962 he was registered as Harry Stevens. Jones and his wife Muriel hid a lot of secrets from their daughter and one of these secrets may have been Jones wasnt her father. Paul.. The D.N.A. I live on the land of penllergaer woods and I have some information that I think u would like to hear.. how can I get in contact with u to chat.? Well here is the TRUTH. What a big moment in this case! This post deals with sexual assault and might be triggering for some readers. Unless he bludgeoned first then he raped, this would have caught her by surprise. The team tracked down Harries' cousin Lynn Hughes who described how the only child had been "spoilt" by his parents and was very "childish". As part of the investigation forensic evidence has been re-examined and officers have considered theories that convicted murderer Harold Jones was . Was a local stalking Muriel? There was another murder in 1943. We could see it [had been] in a police station, but as it closed, where did it go next? In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest one in the world to . [4], More than 3,000 mourners attended Drinkwater's funeral on 2 July. Video, 00:01:18, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. It doesnt take much working out who the unnamed source with South Wales Police was! The True Crime Files is dedicated to all things #TrueCrime. Although the profile was loaded into the UK National DNA Database, it failed to match any of the approximately five million DNA records held there. I am in regular contact with a niece of Muriel Drinkwater who has told me that members of her family gave South Wales Police samples of their D.N.A.. On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. DNA was found on evidence & matched a man already in prison. "That sounds pompous, but I knew that really he was a simpleton, but I didn't detect any menace in him.". Martyn Lloyd-Evans again regarding the letter from D.C.Paul Rogers. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. Thanks again for sharing this. She said: "He came to public attention in the early 1950s when he was convicted of murdering an older couple. "Given the sheer level of violence that he inflicted on his own relatives, I can't quite believe that this would be the first instance of his violence.". Her mother seen her approaching 400 yards away, so perhaps she was a selected victim. [8] A description of a person of interest was circulated; he was described as approximately 30 years old, with "thick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket. You will need a male dna profile from a decendent on harold joness family tree. Detectives to revisit unsolved murder. Just before his execution, Harries gave an extraordinary interview to the tabloid press from his jail cell. Hi James. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. My enquiries are now complete and have led me to believe that Harold Jones would have presented a danger to young girls throughout his life All relevant information has now been presented to South Wales Police, Major Crime Review Unit,who are currently in the process of making further inquiries into the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. DNA was taken from the relatives of both Muriel and Ronnie Harries but the results have not been made public. ", * Dark Land: Hunting the Killers is on BBC iPlayer, School friends at the grave of Muriel Drinkwater, whose murder in 1946 remains one of the most horrifying in Welsh history. Her parents Harold and Muriel Jones/Stevens kept a lot of secrets from this daughter one of which may be that she wasnt Harolds daughter. The new B.B.C. Two days later, police found one of the murder weapons, a World War I-era Colt .45 pistol. Mr Hall, who was intrigued by the unsolved crime, says friends of Muriel remember her as the ``perfect pupil''. I hope Margaret gets the answers she deserves sooner rather than later. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater 's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. The 73-year-old stain was discovered during a cold case review in 2003 and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of evidence in the world. found on Muriels coat and D.N.A. profiling cleared Hubert who stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name.). Just before she entered the woods she looked up to see the farm in the distance. D.C, Paul Rogers, independent of Victor Penalunas theory, contacted me by phone and told me that his research had led him to believe that Harold Jones may have been Muriel Drinkwaters killer. GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS. Filmed as part of documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers, that is being shown on BBC Wales, the name of murderer Ronnie Harries, the last man to have been hanged in Carmarthen, has been put forward by the team that is headed by the former chief constable of Dyfed Powys Police Jackie Roberts. However, if it wasnt for Victor Penaluna and D.C. Paul Rogers of the London Metropolitan Police I would have been none the wiser about the Muriel Drinkwater murder. We got a partial profile, given that it was the oldest cold case with a semen stain on it that we had been working on.". She may or may NOT have been Jones biological daughter. There were whispers that it was her stepfather that did it, although I believe John Drinkwater was her blood father. taken from one of Jones many nieces or nephews in Wales would prove conclusively if Jones was or was not Muriels killer. In 2007 whilst researching for my 2008 True Crime book Every Mothers Nightmare Abertillery in Mourning, which dealt with the murders of two Abertillery school-girls in 1921, I received a surprise visit from Victor Penaluna, a cousin of the second Abertillery victim Florence Little aged 11. To see documentary google Dark Lands Muriel Drinkwater iplayer. "This was a terrible, terrible crime that someone has got away with for too long. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. Sometimes the rumours and suspicion in these unsolved cases does almost as much damage to the community as the crime itself. Colin Dark suggested the possibillity of using D.N.A to identify who took the books into the shop with the hope of identifying the killer. Thank you once again and I wish you every success with your forthcoming publication. I have informed South Wales Police regarding this information to save them a fortune on a wild goose chase trying to extract D.N.A. Are you able to help please? He stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name. Video, 00:02:56, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle. But the mystery doesn't end there and the team want to unlock the mystery behind a book belonging to Muriel that turned up in a charity shop decades after her death. He described the search for the clothes that had been taken from the crime scene. [9] Detectives from Scotland Yard came to Swansea to assist in the investigation. She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. 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Advertisement. A brother, nephew, grandson. South Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has today finally ruled out Jones - who died from cancer in 1971 - from their investigation. In 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was murdered in the woods of Swansea, Wales. Wales documentary screened at 10.30pm on Sunday 8 November 2020 spent a full 5 minutes suggesting that 2 books found in a Carmarthen bookshop recently had been taken from Muriels schoolbag in 1946 as trophies by the killer. (My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. Her route to her family's home Tyle-Du Farm entailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). So with that revelation the re-opened inquiry could have cost 15 million or more as did the Gwent Police inquiry into the disgraced former Abertillery care home owner Dr Dana Pras. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was raped in Penllergaer Woods, beaten about the head with a blunt instrument and then shot with a World War I Colt 45 on 27 June 1946. Posted by 8 minutes ago. Why? Required fields are marked *. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater (left) might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer Harold Jones when she was raped and murdered in 1946. Video, 00:01:00One-minute World News, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. 2023 The True Crime Files. Fifteen days later, Jones murdered 11-year-old neighbour Florence Little too, hiding her body in the attic of his parents' home. He clearly wasn't very bright, and there's evidence that you see of overkill with Muriel Drinkwater's case as well.". Swansea 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater, who was shot after being sexually assaulted in 1946 Now, a team of former detectives and crime experts have re-investigated the case, dubbed the 'Little. Is it possible that scientists could examine Muriels coat and find another profile that could be compared to Jones daughters D.N.A.? Fingers crossed that one day a DNA match can give us the breakthrough needed to solve this case. Muriel Drinkwater was a young Welsh schoolgirl. Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Video, 00:00:41Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. Neil. Arrested once again, Jones this time pleaded guilty to the charge of murder at aMonmouthcourt in November 1921. She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. She had been attacked on the lane and then she was dragged to where the body was left.". Also, it was near a Japanese plantation and the workers may have possibly assaulted her and the cigarette butts, bread and sweet wrappers may have come from the plantation. Muriel Drinkwater was born on January 12, 1906 in New York . Muriels nieces family took the books to the bookshop after Muriels brother-in-law died last year. There is no doubt about that.". The last person who reported seeing her was Hubert Hoyles, then 13, who passed her on the path returning from her family farm, where he had gone to buy eggs. Click here to hear the Audio File of this case. Jones D.N.A was not compared to the D.N.A left on Muriels coat by the killer. The comments below have not been moderated. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. And we appreciate your dogged determination to get to the bottom of what happened. Video, 00:00:36Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. Over 20,000 men were interviewed about the crime . First he lived in Fulham with a former London Metropolitan Police officer John Widdows and his daughter Muriel whom he married in 1948. Learn more about managing a memorial . Muriel was skipping through the woods on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, as she did every day on her way from school, when the summer's afternoon turned to tragedy. Muriel N Drinkwater (born Maker) was born on month day 1903, at birth place, to Thomas L Maker and Margaret L Maker (born Baum). They visited the Carmarthen bookshop to identify if the killers family had taken the books there. From the statements of the day it appeared her mum was making a pot of tea and looked out the window and actually saw Muriel about 500 yards away coming up the track towards the farmhouse. It was the first time he had spoken publicly about the tragedy that haunts his family to this day. Dubbed the 'Little Red Riding Hood murder', the. from Ron Harries and his cousin and from Muriels coat and yet are not releasing the results of the tests. Find records of Muriel Drinkwater . South Wales Police detectives requested the original case file from Kent Police to determine if there was a connection. On 28 June 2021, I sent the following Freedom of Information Request to South Wales Police. [8][4], In 2003, detectives re-opened the case in the hope of finding DNA evidence on the gun, but were not successful as too many people had handled the weapon. "Each case is reviewed periodically," he adds. On the back of the coat, a no-longer-visible semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. There were soldiers still in the area after the war and they used to train in Penllergaer woods. In the days and weeks that followed Muriel's murder, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Muriel's death was known at the time as the Little Red Riding Hood Murder because of the bright red coat she was wearing. Her mother later went to the village to look for her when she did not return home; more than a dozen men from the area began a search. This murder shook the village and all the boys came under suspicion. Video, 00:01:20, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other' Video, 00:00:36, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other', The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives. It is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. Mudgee General Cemetery. She goes to grammar school. Muriel Drinkwater - Swansea, 1946 On 27th June 1946, Margaret Drinkwater was making tea in the family farm house in Penllegaer near Swansea when she looked out of the window to see her daughter . Take a second to support Christine on Patreon! Sometime later that afternoon, Muriels mother Margaret glanced out of her kitchen window and noticed Muriel approaching their property from approximately 400 yards away. to have gone on to kill six women in London in the 1960s - and was dubbed Jack The Stripper. Read about our approach to external linking. [10], Police visited every house within 150 square miles and interviewed 20,000 men in Swansea and in neighbouring Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Margaret went out into the yard and her and Muriel exchanged waves. Martin well remembers a young girl who was "always full of life" and would always be skipping and singing. Happier times: Alex Murdaugh, Maggie and their sons are the picture-perfect family in never-before-seen photos taken on a hunting trip just a few years before brutal slayings, 'Why isn't he being prosecuted?' We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Police confirmed a cold case review on the stain found on Muriel's coat in 1946 had now been tested by forensics teams. This was a very small, close knit community and everybody knew everybody and everybodies business. Request number 772/21. Interesting case Christine. Would a nephew definitely suffice to prove a link to Harol Jones and the crime scene stain on Muriels coat. Nevertheless, the FBI was called in to assist with determining the ownership of the murder weapon, but nothing seems to have ever transpired from this lead. Lloyd-Evans told me that he was convinced that a suspect regarding Muriels murder would soon be identified through D.N.A. Video, 00:00:42Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. "South Wales Police has had considerable success with cold case reviews being one of the first forces in the country to set up a review team in 1999 to conduct cold case reviews. I agree with the killer being male and the suggested age range. He must have known she was near home because she waved and if we are saying this was a planned attack he wouldve studied Muriels routine, studied her route, he was near where her route went, that is a very specific route to go in and out the forest, and with balance of probability he therefore must have known Muriel and her family business to cripple the mother to cripple the business. Its her birthday tomorrow, and still no closer to finding her killer. I received the following letter from D.C. Paul Rogers on 6 December 2007. The Photo Request has been fulfilled. Vote. The path she walked home on curved in and out of the woods; her mother saw her walking home along the path and into the woods, but not come out again. Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. 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If the perpetrator was lying in wait as I believe he was, why select that certain spot? Importantly, though, the DNA results cleared Hoyles of any involvement in Muriels murder. The police have DNA but keep any results they may have a closely guarded secret. South Wales Police some years ago announced that a potential suspect Hubert Hoyles had been cleared of Muriels death through DNA profiling. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. The crime scene is a short distance from the farmhouse. First, I was told that South Wales Police werent obliged to say. I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. Her eyes were wide open and her skin was deathly white. Her name was written in copper plate, Muriel J Drinkwater, and they were examined by the forensic expert who did some incredible work for us, and was able to find this full crime stain on the back of Muriel's little school mac. Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. 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