I had a CPX-2, functionality and reliability i couldnt complain about. But still, Im sure there are worse ones. It is not some junker throwaway, but a solid, well machined piece with a heavy but smooth DAO trigger which emulates a DA revolver, by design and makes the piece perhaps a bit more safely carried and handled for many that may feel uncomfortable with a light, short pull SA. The Pico is top notch. AMEN . From what I have heard the folks at SCCY provide great customer service. How is it possibly at the top of the list? Its tight, even well after break-in. Um the SCCY is a near exact copy of the nearby(Cocoa,Fl) Keltec P-11. At 10.2 ounces, the trim Taurus 738 is a very light pistol, and with an overall length of just 5.25 inches its easy to conceal even under light Literally, it is.) I bought a SCCY CPX-2 a few months ago . The Pico is built like a tank. OMG! I shot the cpx-1 and the cpx-2and never had a problem with either. Actually the design was made so that the magazine would not pop out on firing like other small pocket guns are guilty of, use the release correctly and it is a breeze. No problem with the SCCY at all. I have two of the Picos. For instance, I have owned 4 lcps and the pico will run circles around them. All these tacticool wannabes on here think theyre special. Every gun has its limitations and knowledge goes a long way to ensure a positive outcome when it happens. Mine works, has worked, continues to work, and has never not gone bang. I have thousands of rounds through the Picos and trust me, they hold up like the tank they are. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. I do feel though that its a little too light for a 9mm caliber . Nemesis pocket holster, and 1 spare mag, goes everyehere. These flaws include, but are not limited to: .380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. Keltec P-11 listed as 10+1 on THEIR website. She shot both, along with a used Beretta .380, and chose the Sig despite the price being just about double at the time. In light of that, the valuable service you claim hes doing may well be smoke and mirrors. The trigger seem to be the trouble people have with it. He talks about having to yank the Mag. Thats a problem for a pocket gun. and wrote the entire line off. Still cant find that silent u in it to make it sky. The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. Im not saying every single person who votes needs to leave a full, detailed review, but encouraging people to at least leave a couple pros/cons would be most helpful. They pretty much invented the theory of if you get a good one its good, but when you get a bad one its bad. Whatever-everything else pops inand their FB page is odd too. WebThe Roughneck series of derringers are similar in appearance to the well-known Bond Arms Backup models, but are more affordable. Cobra lasted 10 minutes in my house. But if carry options are limited to just a pocket carry for you (i.e. Standing out as one of the smallest on this list, Kahr isnt a But thats just me Not everyone places as much weight on user ratings as I do. I have received grief for it as well. I love mine(CPX 2,no safety) Best carry gun for your dollar bar none. That right there should have indicated that something was up when they feature it at a SHOT SHOW and it takes 2 years to finally put it out for sale. You also do not understand how to use the mag release or what it is intended for. Why people follow them is a mystery. Regardless of your take on user ratings, I think you can safely ignore the bottom six guns and not worry about missing out on much. Otherwise, their opinion may mean nothing. Yes, the LCP II is still a .380 pocket pistol and as a result is still snappy. 2) Cobra Firearms CA380 (4.3 stars 0.9, 36 votes). I told him Im shooting the same Remington ammo in all of them (I dont use the reloads or Russian stuff). In contrast to this, the original LCP did not lock back on the final round. Yea, guns like Diamondback, Jiminez, Lorcen, High Point and so forth have always had poor reputations, but guns like SCCY and the now Springfield Armory XD were initially poo pooed but turn out to be good guns Its not Remington R51 bad, but its a pretty lousy firearm. No issues to complain about. We even joked that we needed to start a Pocket Gun Palma match. He rated it 2.5 stars out of 5 and wrote, I dont hate it. Still, thats pretty tepid, and our readers rate it well below average. Thats not exactly The TRUTH About Guns. 5 Best 380 Pistols for Concealed Carry in 2022 - Gun News In regards to the Cobra a lot of people dissing the gun are those who fire hollowpoints through it. I just cant see myself ever paying for a gun called SuCCY! The biggest improvement, by far, is the trigger pull. lol Damon really? It shoots all varieties of .380 ammo Ive ever run through it. (2) You have no idea who the reviewers are and what their qualifications to rate a firearm areeven if they tell you. Note that I said voted and not have ever even touched the gun at a pawn shop, let alone fired it.. It pains me to include the DB380 on this list because I bought one acouple years ago. How so? I was glad not to see Kel Tac on the bottom list. The Kahr chokes on all kinds of ammo. Otherwise a worthy imitator of the abandoned Walther PPK. I really get the feeling you know little about the Pico. The CM9 is a great gun. All semi auto weapons will jam at one time or another, and dont feel the same in everyones hand.. Its easy to see why: .380 pistols are typically small enough to carry in the pocket, they are unquestionably smaller and lighter than competing 9mm single stack autos or .38 snubnose revolvers. And they didnt offer to just replace the thing, which is what I would do rather than leaving a dissatisfied customer wholl then post a comment like this on the internet. No it is not a light striker fired trigger. Cant say LCP is much better than any of these above, but it has been reliable. For their size they are accurate but these are not range guns (especially the CM40). Its been reliable since then for me. A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. You want an example of why internet polls are not representative? Also people need to fire them at the range. . You find that to be an effective way to make friends and influence people? So they added in where if you downvote something you must list at least one reason why. I love this gun for the price, and just because its not made by Glock means nothing to me. There is nothing copyrightable in those designs. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. These are not military combat weapons. Bottom line: you can do much better. We indicate sponsored content as such. The Recoil spring is a one spring like almost any other. Seriously?). (I like Glocks, but between the trigger and the slimness of the Kahr, Im a convert) My least favorite aspect of the CM40, aside from the revolver-like capacity, is the stiffness of the slide spring. If its good Ill spread the word. Encountered types on the old KT forums that whines like a little girl. That being said, the LCP II can also be carried IWB or in an ankle holster just as easily as it could be carried in a pocket. Avoid Straight Blowback pistols These have a barrel permanently affixed to the frame versus the Delayed Blowback pistols, who have a barrel th Very small would suggest either real fanboys or real haters. Got the Hellcat thrown in when I bought another gun. The Picos have a huge fan base. That said, I have never tried to pocket-carry one so Im not voting on it in terms of that specific criteria. Id limit my search to guns rated north of 6.0 on my surveyand Id stay far away from the below-average offerings from Jimenez, Boberg, NAA, MasterPiece, etc. Here are some basic facts for the Ruger LCP II: In conclusion, the Ruger LCP II simply represents the beginning of the evolution of the .380 pocket pistol. CPX 2. I chose. None. They never protected their early designs/. just kidding 32,490 views Aug 21, 2021 1.1K Dislike Share nutnfancy 852K subscribers Another ranting reviewoh man we do not like Because they werent reliable? Check out the 380 showdown in GunWorldin 2012all 3 Keltecs broke and wouldnt run right. Have you ever even shot one? Women need to be told about the woman in Birmingham who was being robbed and pulled out a gun. Both nice guns, the Pico is the clear winner. How is the P3AT above the middle of the list? (Including the book he wrote about how to cheat Amazon buyers by faking reviews.). I. I like mine. Shoots fine, never a problem, kills my hand. The cobra looks very similar to a firearm my mother owns. You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. Definitelythe first Gen 1 models had problemsHowever, the second Gen 2 models are fine. In a fight you wont notice it. It is not a pleasant gun to shoot, but a helluva lot worse on the receiving end. Its elegant lines and precision engineering have a timeless appeal. Mild. I fell for the Pico hype. then hold slide to the rear for 1 second before you hear things fall into place? My shooting buddy has an LCP. Nonetheless, it still suffers from many of the issues that we just talked about in the previous section: the trigger pull is awful, they are difficult to shoot, it can be difficult to get a good grip on the pistol for some shooters, and the slide wont even lock back on the last round fired. Its that bad. If you actually carry a gun in your pocket, even in a pocket holster, its gonna get dirty. I love the Pico. SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? He may want to trade the SCCY with the safety in for one of the newer ones without a safety. The wisdom of the crowd phenomenon? I think by nature all auto pocket pistols suck. It is almost a virtual impossibility to drop the mag without having to literally stop everything your doing and have to yank the thing down using 2 hands. I some what question these results mainly because I own one of the guns on this list. This crowdsourced data points arent perfect, but if a product gets a statistically significant number of votes, we get a pretty good idea of how it stacks up thanks to the wisdom-of-crowds phenomenon. The trigger is about smooth and deliberate. i used to own a keltec p11. I own a SCCY CPX-2. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. The Hellcat II was cheap when purchased new, and you can find one used for around $100. The list is pretty laughable, though, because drawing conclusions from such a tiny sample of unvetted ratings is deeply, deeply flawed. what a waste of time. based on what your stupid opinion? Its a sharp designed pistol with a great price . Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I had huge issues with a Kahr, so they will never get my money again. Ive had one for 5 years with no more problems than a Kel-tech 380, and Ruger LCP I compared side by side at the range. Yea James, if you look the SCCY gets like 4.3 stars the best out of this bunch and has the one of the higest vote stats and whats the comment from the author oh this gun stinks based on what? Really it sounds like some pretty crappy customer service. . Sorry, but NOT my Kahr. Actually the Hellcat felt better in the hand and was more accurate for me with a better sight than other micro pistols. The muzzle blast can be quite impressive and women should definitely fire their guns at the range. Quick Summary: Our Top Picks For 5 Best .380 Pistols in 2022 1. Since I dont know whether or not your going to use it for EDC, I will recommend one full size and one small one which i think are the 2 best IMO. Bodyguard were well rated. The DB380 is a cheap subcompact 380 pocket pistol. Im in the habit of buying less costly weapons and fully expect to tinker a bit with them to produce a smooth running hot brass pile maker. This guy most definitely does not have one clue about the Pico. This is NOT a target gun. Sleek design, totally snag proof. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. These arent big enough vote pools anyway. (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. Its is almost universally panned from young guys working behind the counter at Academy Sports to anyone who works in local gun shops. Diamondback has been plagued by trouble. Or did all those voters fly to Russia to test them out? How many times do you change magazines in a self defense situation? I cant count on my DB380 to run consistently, so I had to give it a low rating. i cant effectively describe the feel of the action; except to say it was similar to dragging a cinder block up a gravel hill. I experienced none of that with my p3at but it was entertaining to read. I fire a couple of magazines a month thru them so as not to get too rusty . http://virtualchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/unicorn.jpg. Or the Springfield EMP (Though mine runs awesome, they are known for manufacturing problems). I give them a failing grade because neither gun reliably goes bang each time you pull the trigger on factory ammo. It is accurate, easy to shoot, recoil is manageable. It is about 99% reliable, however, which is good enough to carry. Great sights, ability to change out to night sights and on and on. And I dont know why Keltec lets Ruger & SCCY(and the defunct hellcat) slavishly copy their designs. I have 2 of them. This list would have been more valid if it had included the KIMBER SOLO, This website is better than the comedy channel. Note to self, Get to the range! But that is just learning curve and a trade off when they removed the problematic safety from the earlier models. Ill definitely be checking it out. The trigger pull on most .380 autos is exceptionally long and gritty. Last but not least, and while this is entirely personal preference, many regard .380 autos as having poor ergonomics due to the fact that their extraordinarily small size means you cant get a full grip on them. If you spend any amount of time online, youve seen product rating systems on Amazon, Netflix, Yelp, etc., usually in the form of star ratings. The gun works incredibly well if you use the recommend FMJ ammo as listed in the manual. Both shoot about the same as far as low recoil. Sure just BUT! Beretta has been making guns for over 500 years and nice guns. Kim Kardashian and POTUS are best two examples of known abuse. Probably have about 2500 rounds through it. Zero malfunctions in 300 rounds including pocket lint coverings. Unlike several riflesOh wait I might get a 22mag but not for big money. OMG! The Mary Rosh controversy (where Lott used that pseudonym to answer critics and to post one favorable review of More Guns Less Crime) is discussed. AND, NAA has first class warranty service. I bought one of the .380 Seecamps when they first came out. Here is some news for you. Is it possible to find a Hellcat II that runs well, shoots well and fits well? I would buy one if I needed another inexpensive backup carry gun. After this 1911 bill gets passed, Ill be carrying a 1911. He says it is a blunder. These arent Rambo guns, they are self defense guns. As far as the magazine release, its perfect for my needs. Heck, the CM40s steel-framed brother, the MK40, is currently ranked in the top 5 (granted, with only 10 votes so far). I think Jimenez and Lorcen companies went bankrupt. Yep and they give AKs a bad name with how terrible theirs are. Wouldnt take much time for an employee or contractor of one of these manufacturers to buff up the ratings, or down rate a competitor. Every one of these pistols are incredibly easy to conceal in your pocket. until you find a way to weed out braindead haters who vote based on their idiotic and unedumacated feelings all of your results will be skewed by gun store rednecks who dont know what the word ballistic even means. No sights (Stick it up their nose and pull the trigger). Designed to be smaller and more compact than the Nambu 14 for use by armored vehicle crewmen and pilots, the pistol had design BATTLE OF THE RUGER .380S: LCP VS. LCP II. Lol, a very nice DAO, the new Gen is much lighter. I have heard the PiCO may be TOO small. Still, if youre looking for a all purpose value like pistol then look no further (hesk Ive seen them for $200 NIB out the doorAnd yes, Kel-Tec got copied yet again! Seriously, it works if you have a fresh pair of springs in it. Well, Taurus only makes one gun that really meets the pocket pistol criteria set forth in the article. I would bet my life on this smallish, nice looking pistol. Apparently their readership likes Sigs with large sample sizes. And of course not break down like they do with high volume shooting. Kahr makes a lot of pocket guns, and several of them rate really well. they gladly took it back and said the Cobra .380 was selling like hotcakes. Are you kidding me? And buying likes is one definite way to abuse it. It is considerably lighter and smoother than the original LCP and other comparable .380 pistols, and it also features the Glock-style bladed safety that must first be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled. Im pretty surprised the P3AT isnt on this list. Im thinking about getting a second one to keep in my truck or with my bow hunting gear. We saw your review and write up. Maybe something like this? Plus, the Picos 9mm cousin, the Nano, rates well above average. Makes me question the authors intentions in this article. The sccy is a great budget pistol. The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. the fact you just dont like it? What good is a lifetime warranty if they dont fix it??? I just hated the trigger. I know one person who had a nightmare of an experience with the Diamondback ..380. WebBest 9mm Concealed Carry (CCW) Pistol - SIG Sauer P365. The sights on the LCP II are built into the top of the slide like its predecessor. It jammed after the first shot, but he hit the intruder in the chest. I have several friends who own Picos and swear by them. Ive owned a CPX 2 for about a year and we shoot every weekend. anyone can vote on any gun whether they own or have even seen the gun in person. I think the wheel guns are less likely to have a problem. Ive put plenty of rounds through my p3at and its reliable. The trigger is fantastic, and reassuring in handling and holstering (leather IWB) in ways that Glock is not. (not missed, as in missed the target, but missed as in I pulled the trigger for the follow up shot and nothing happened because it had not reset). But for a handgun of last resort, I prefer an Airweight. To each his own . No aluminum. Yes, Im sure theyre out there, but the odds youll score one of those unicorns remain low. Taurus TCP voted best value-best overall 380 was Kahr p380-MUCH more expensive. Top 5 .380 Pistols Our Top Pick Glock 42 .380 ACP Sportsmans Warehouse (Check Price) Palmetto State Armory (Check Price) Primary Arms (Check Uh no. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-right.jpg In fact, yanking the mag should tell him to learn the gun. Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. Painful to shoot, yes, but thats what you get when the gun barely weighs more than the bullet it fires. They fall apart with any kink of volume down range. NOPE! 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